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serpintaxt
@serpintaxt #1017919
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Ethos scores need to be everywhere
- How you launch a successful project
- How you secure better lending rate
- How you research and speculate on other projects
- How VCs and Angels make investment thesis
- How you trust someone during an OTC deal
- How you interpret someone's words and actions
Re: 2.
There is always some element of popularity in reputation. Some people with better resources and connections are going to be more reputable because of that very reason. But the "reward" that you mention is not zero sum, by any means. Many people can be reputable, and not at the cost of other people losing that reputation. There is no unfairly favoring because EVERYONE can be reputable.
I imagine a world where the goal is that we simply raise the bar - you must have people willing to vouch, review you to participate in most parts of web3. This doesn't mean it's going to be an all out fight to be reputable, it means you need to pass some minimum qualifications that bots, sybils, fake accounts won't be able...
- How you launch a successful project
- How you secure better lending rate
- How you research and speculate on other projects
- How VCs and Angels make investment thesis
- How you trust someone during an OTC deal
- How you interpret someone's words and actions
Re: 2.
There is always some element of popularity in reputation. Some people with better resources and connections are going to be more reputable because of that very reason. But the "reward" that you mention is not zero sum, by any means. Many people can be reputable, and not at the cost of other people losing that reputation. There is no unfairly favoring because EVERYONE can be reputable.
I imagine a world where the goal is that we simply raise the bar - you must have people willing to vouch, review you to participate in most parts of web3. This doesn't mean it's going to be an all out fight to be reputable, it means you need to pass some minimum qualifications that bots, sybils, fake accounts won't be able...
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whalepizs
@whalepizs·08:35 19/03/2025
1: What’s the long-term vision for integrating Ethos with other Base ecosystem projects to enhance onchain trust?
2: How will the reputation system reward active, genuine contributors without unfairly favoring those with more resources or connections? Can’t wait to hear the answer and maybe grab an invite code ! @serpintaxt
2: How will the reputation system reward active, genuine contributors without unfairly favoring those with more resources or connections? Can’t wait to hear the answer and maybe grab an invite code ! @serpintaxt
在 tako 中，您可以通过显示的不同指标了解谁引起了关注。
我认为，如果人们能够将鼠标悬停在头像上，更近距离地了解人们对他们的评价以及他们的信誉，那么这将非常有价值，作为一个起点。
这对于共享交易的人，或者甚至是那些试图进行场外交易、天使轮融资等的人都会有帮助。
我认为看到更深层次的整合真的很有趣，比如“留下评论？”你可以在这里将演员阵容保存到某人的个人资料中。
但最终，我认为能够看到某人的信誉如何，在任何地方都会很有影响力！
我认为，如果人们能够将鼠标悬停在头像上，更近距离地了解人们对他们的评价以及他们的信誉，那么这将非常有价值，作为一个起点。
这对于共享交易的人，或者甚至是那些试图进行场外交易、天使轮融资等的人都会有帮助。
我认为看到更深层次的整合真的很有趣，比如“留下评论？”你可以在这里将演员阵容保存到某人的个人资料中。
但最终，我认为能够看到某人的信誉如何，在任何地方都会很有影响力！
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EdisonChen不是陈冠希
@edisonchen·09:36 19/03/2025
很认同 @serpintaxt 说的有效的影响力=关注 + 声誉，因为没有声誉没办法产生共识，ethos network 的产品打磨的很好，你可以去给一个人评价、还可以 stake eth去给你的朋友背书（相反如果你笃定这个人干了坏事你也可以stake 真金白银揭发他，代表你没有胡说），我确定像 @tako 这样一个新型社交网络里是需要 ethos作为信誉基础设施的，我有个问题，请问你觉得tako 可以怎样的潜入集成 ethos 的信誉数据和场景呢？
No. Contributor XP is just the equivalent of reddit karma. It allows us to experiment with incentive models but there are no concrete plans for what it itself will do.
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0xdealerbao
@0xdealerbao·10:18 20/03/2025
building smart contracts sucks and costs too much $$$
right now we focus on growing users, and when we feel confident it's time to move to the next phase of the business we'll switch to thing next major upgrade of smart contracts
priority shifts when you feel like you've sorta hit that milestone of like "okay.. this part of the product is showing signs of pmf.. let's give the rest to them now"
right now we focus on growing users, and when we feel confident it's time to move to the next phase of the business we'll switch to thing next major upgrade of smart contracts
priority shifts when you feel like you've sorta hit that milestone of like "okay.. this part of the product is showing signs of pmf.. let's give the rest to them now"
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I don't think anon reviews are necessary, I think there are ways to work around it. I'm still not 100% sure building anon reviews on Ethos is going to help anyone judge anyone else's credibility better.
we may have better ways to do it than anon
we may have better ways to do it than anon
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Winky0505
@johndoe0505·12:10 20/03/2025
being blunt if you're not connected with the Base team I think you have to prove it to them first
it's not because they demand it it's because they get so much inbound
I never really cared because I look at base as a public good (tbc, it's not REALLY yet) and we never depended on them for anything.. docs are everywhere, it's evm, it's very easy to build on
once we had some traction they've been very supportive, but it was hard to get in front of them before we had any traction
it's not because they demand it it's because they get so much inbound
I never really cared because I look at base as a public good (tbc, it's not REALLY yet) and we never depended on them for anything.. docs are everywhere, it's evm, it's very easy to build on
once we had some traction they've been very supportive, but it was hard to get in front of them before we had any traction
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Shea
@sheabao·12:13 20/03/2025
how do you feel about building on base so far? what kind of support have you received? does base help with GTM? @serpintaxt
being credible requires cooperation between parties
people vouch for each other to show their support - while there is no defi/yield yet we are modeled after PoS for a reason
I think it would be hard to convince people early on that one day they'll stake their eth in validators to secure the network :D
eventually people will do it to help secure the social layer
people vouch for each other to show their support - while there is no defi/yield yet we are modeled after PoS for a reason
I think it would be hard to convince people early on that one day they'll stake their eth in validators to secure the network :D
eventually people will do it to help secure the social layer
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we don't look at any of these metrics because they don't tell us anything about credibility
qty/qual of followers is easily manipulated
onchain history is shallow and doesn't "Tell you if you're an asshole"
we rely primarily on data that's instrumented onchain thru ethos
qty/qual of followers is easily manipulated
onchain history is shallow and doesn't "Tell you if you're an asshole"
we rely primarily on data that's instrumented onchain thru ethos
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we are a lean team. me, cto ben, 3 other devs, a designer and some customer success
we will expand as we grow :) but i like to focus on building products and fill in the gaps on other areas (like marketing, dev rel etc ) as the founder. web3 rewards this well
we will expand as we grow :) but i like to focus on building products and fill in the gaps on other areas (like marketing, dev rel etc ) as the founder. web3 rewards this well
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lots of notable people! the best part of ethos IMO is that you dont have to be someone who has influence to build reputation :)
i am still chasing ZachXBT tho :)
i am still chasing ZachXBT tho :)
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Tamagotchi
@tamagotchi·13:12 20/03/2025
ben and met working at Atlassian together. we built a new product called Beacon- now called “Atlassian Guard” - this was in Atlassian’s incubator group
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I'm currently in between bulgarian split squat sets right now ;)
it's hard
work out or run 45 minutes a day 5 days a week
and you're golden :)
takes care of me both mentally and physically
it's hard
work out or run 45 minutes a day 5 days a week
and you're golden :)
takes care of me both mentally and physically
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- have a product that can adapt quickly to the current meta
- be willing to accept that you can't "fight the market"
- decide early how much % you want to invest in short term adaptation to short term traction.. it maybe worth spending 20% of your team's resources as "innovation"
80% long term 20% short term gives you lots of flexibility in ensuring you're not left behind
while having a long term vision
but long term vision is easy if your product solves problems. this is the most important part! if your product solves no problem then it's going to be hard to be focused on long term goals (and have conviction in those)
- be willing to accept that you can't "fight the market"
- decide early how much % you want to invest in short term adaptation to short term traction.. it maybe worth spending 20% of your team's resources as "innovation"
80% long term 20% short term gives you lots of flexibility in ensuring you're not left behind
while having a long term vision
but long term vision is easy if your product solves problems. this is the most important part! if your product solves no problem then it's going to be hard to be focused on long term goals (and have conviction in those)
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Better leaderboards, advanced analytics, slashing improvements, ethos.markets expansion are all in the near term
then maybe zkReviews or anon reviews (but very cautious about these)
Beyond that.. lots more :) but I keep my public roadmap short to set expectations honestly.. things change FAST when shipping publicly and learning by shipping
then maybe zkReviews or anon reviews (but very cautious about these)
Beyond that.. lots more :) but I keep my public roadmap short to set expectations honestly.. things change FAST when shipping publicly and learning by shipping
My co-founder and I sat down one night and said "which L2 is most likely to be around in 5 years?"
And the answer was obvious :)
Without Base/L2 we could not have built Ethos
And the answer was obvious :)
Without Base/L2 we could not have built Ethos
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Ethos XP is just a nod to people who are contributing right now, most similar to Reddit Karma
It also helps us understand how to incentivize people in the future and balance that incentivization now.
It also helps us understand how to incentivize people in the future and balance that incentivization now.
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It definitely adds a layer of trust I think to how people trade... if people trade with this public identity/reputation
I imagine a world where we DO have insight into who and what people are trading what.. and they do so with their public identity because that's what is expected.
I always think about how opensea was pretty good for seeing WHO was in a trade and helped you build a bit more trust. People look for signal always in who is buying stuff! but now we have a way to document that.. and that documentation of that person's history can really help people have more confidence in their trades (or document when people do stuff like dump on their followers!)
I imagine a world where we DO have insight into who and what people are trading what.. and they do so with their public identity because that's what is expected.
I always think about how opensea was pretty good for seeing WHO was in a trade and helped you build a bit more trust. People look for signal always in who is buying stuff! but now we have a way to document that.. and that documentation of that person's history can really help people have more confidence in their trades (or document when people do stuff like dump on their followers!)
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Ethos is decentralized first in how we think about everything. Most things in Ethos now are already decentralized.
The issue is how to stay true to that as you build because it's SO hard to get smart contracts right the first time (and expensive to screw it up)
As ethos continues to prove PMF we will continue down the journey of decentralization. It is VERY important for Ethos to retain this position to get the most value of being web3 first (And not victim to censorship and other problems w centralization like companies paying companies to remove reviews)
The issue is how to stay true to that as you build because it's SO hard to get smart contracts right the first time (and expensive to screw it up)
As ethos continues to prove PMF we will continue down the journey of decentralization. It is VERY important for Ethos to retain this position to get the most value of being web3 first (And not victim to censorship and other problems w centralization like companies paying companies to remove reviews)
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julie.base.eth ↑
@julieinweb3·02:55 19/03/2025
From your pods, it seems you have a strong vision about the "pendulum swing" between centralization and decentralization. Where do you see that pendulum heading next, and how does Ethos fit into that future? @serpintaxt
Who trusts who is extremely important when every conversation we have in crypto is financialized
I think there are MANY things we've really yet to uncover here including things like
- How reputable is that KOL you want to hire for marketing?
- What kind of business has this dev done in the past? Do people like him?
- Should I let this person into my community?
- What do other founders say about this angel investor of VC?
- I'm a fund doing due diligence, what do people think about this founder?
- Wow, it looks like you can see a grouping of wallets that trust each other all buying this thing - should I buy it too?
and many more.. it's early :D
I think there are MANY things we've really yet to uncover here including things like
- How reputable is that KOL you want to hire for marketing?
- What kind of business has this dev done in the past? Do people like him?
- Should I let this person into my community?
- What do other founders say about this angel investor of VC?
- I'm a fund doing due diligence, what do people think about this founder?
- Wow, it looks like you can see a grouping of wallets that trust each other all buying this thing - should I buy it too?
and many more.. it's early :D
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The problem is most products do not solve problems today.
We went straight towards the concept of "let's just build the speculative parts" and rolled with that for the last 18 months of this cycle
Focus on products that solve problems. Is it a faster chain? Is it better a better dex? Ask yourself: does this meaningfully solve a problem? Would I be upset if someone took it away?
If you answer "Yes" to the last question, you slam buys
I think market will shift back towards fundamentals and valuing solving problems
We went straight towards the concept of "let's just build the speculative parts" and rolled with that for the last 18 months of this cycle
Focus on products that solve problems. Is it a faster chain? Is it better a better dex? Ask yourself: does this meaningfully solve a problem? Would I be upset if someone took it away?
If you answer "Yes" to the last question, you slam buys
I think market will shift back towards fundamentals and valuing solving problems
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I think currently that invitation system is the most resistant
In the future we need the entire score to be.. it needs to take time and $ to earn score (people vouching for you)
but it was impossible to know that until we shipped the product, now we have real life data with real social cues
In the future we need the entire score to be.. it needs to take time and $ to earn score (people vouching for you)
but it was impossible to know that until we shipped the product, now we have real life data with real social cues
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I have a lot of experience growing products from past roles (we took one product from 30k to 3m users in a couple years!)
Most importantly, we must not have a "leaky funnel" - if you have people enter the top of the funnel and you "acquire" them, you must be confident you can retain them. Why? in Web3 attention is scarce, and people are unlikely to every come back to your product again
I think about things in terms of AAARRR or "pirate metrics" but it's really
Awareness - help people understand what ethos is, people have heard of it before
Acquisition - we capture those users and they onboard into the product
Activation - they do the one thing that we consider the core part of the product (for us write a review)
Retention - do they stick in your product after 28 days?
Revenue - do they spend $ on your product
Referral - do they refer their friends
If you add people into the top of the funnel, but you aren't retaining users, you have a leaky funnel. If you add peopel to the top and they never activate,...
Most importantly, we must not have a "leaky funnel" - if you have people enter the top of the funnel and you "acquire" them, you must be confident you can retain them. Why? in Web3 attention is scarce, and people are unlikely to every come back to your product again
I think about things in terms of AAARRR or "pirate metrics" but it's really
Awareness - help people understand what ethos is, people have heard of it before
Acquisition - we capture those users and they onboard into the product
Activation - they do the one thing that we consider the core part of the product (for us write a review)
Retention - do they stick in your product after 28 days?
Revenue - do they spend $ on your product
Referral - do they refer their friends
If you add people into the top of the funnel, but you aren't retaining users, you have a leaky funnel. If you add peopel to the top and they never activate,...
It's been really interesting to see play out.
I do think generally speaking, not many people are yet comfortable with the idea of publicly calling someone out.
That said we have seen a few - including one that I did today - that have lead to very positive discussion
The intent of slashing is to have discourse and social consensus about how people feel about someone and if they've stepped out of line of "societal norms" - this could be rug pulling, or today in an example it was someone who I felt was abusing Ethos' review mechanisms by writing a bunch of meaningless reviews
https://app.ethos.network/activity/slash/21/abusing-ethos-review-system-with-ai-generated-reviews-for-others
I do think generally speaking, not many people are yet comfortable with the idea of publicly calling someone out.
That said we have seen a few - including one that I did today - that have lead to very positive discussion
The intent of slashing is to have discourse and social consensus about how people feel about someone and if they've stepped out of line of "societal norms" - this could be rug pulling, or today in an example it was someone who I felt was abusing Ethos' review mechanisms by writing a bunch of meaningless reviews
https://app.ethos.network/activity/slash/21/abusing-ethos-review-system-with-ai-generated-reviews-for-others
It's originally intended to prevent sybil attacks and ensure that users are being thoughtful about who they invite.
Sometimes it causes some headache for people and they get concerned about inviting the right people.
I think this is a misnomer and shouldn't be treated as such; invite the people you like and trust... don't worry too much about the credibility score impact
Some people have retroactively looked back and said "oh my god I can't believe I invited that guy, he never did anything on Ethos and his score is the same! What a waste" but I think people are over indexing on that tbh
Sometimes it causes some headache for people and they get concerned about inviting the right people.
I think this is a misnomer and shouldn't be treated as such; invite the people you like and trust... don't worry too much about the credibility score impact
Some people have retroactively looked back and said "oh my god I can't believe I invited that guy, he never did anything on Ethos and his score is the same! What a waste" but I think people are over indexing on that tbh
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this is a really good one and something that often gets conflated
influence = attention + reputation
you can earn attention by being NOT reputable, by sharing fake news, and by optimizing for getting people to look at your content.
You can have influence without any attention
They coexist well, but we don't measure for reputation in Crypto today. Everyone measures credibility by attention, and as time goes on, it becomes more obvious how that attention is very "hackable"
more on that here: https://www.ethos.network/post/credibility-is-cheap-in-web3
influence = attention + reputation
you can earn attention by being NOT reputable, by sharing fake news, and by optimizing for getting people to look at your content.
You can have influence without any attention
They coexist well, but we don't measure for reputation in Crypto today. Everyone measures credibility by attention, and as time goes on, it becomes more obvious how that attention is very "hackable"
more on that here: https://www.ethos.network/post/credibility-is-cheap-in-web3
