The Crucible
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The test of quality.
More and more farmer's moving to mcdegen 🫠
Season 9
Farming ratio was about 50% in previous season but 75% is farming now.(3,583,819/4,660,740)
https://dune.com/queries/4036250
Season 9
Farming ratio was about 50% in previous season but 75% is farming now.(3,583,819/4,660,740)
https://dune.com/queries/4036250
They get 3M of $DEGEN already.
More half of their tip are cashed out.
(Check this query: https://dune.com/queries/4036250)
razdev(Farmer that I discovered before) using mcdegen to cash out.
We need to discuss about it.
More half of their tip are cashed out.
(Check this query: https://dune.com/queries/4036250)
razdev(Farmer that I discovered before) using mcdegen to cash out.
We need to discuss about it.
It has been 3 days since @pichi cast...
I agree that tipping rings - and any "money laundering with extra steps" - is not different from this new "token creation" on the degen chain. It is the end of degen moderation, right? Cashing the allowance out - is as good as tipping right now. Right?
I can be mistaken - and happy to correct my misunderstanding.
Until then, let's face reality: skipping the tipping is easy and a fair game now. Already farmers get 10-50x more degen from their allow, than I get using my allow for tipping quality casts and playing the long social game. With the "token creation," everyone can accumulate faster and stake more degen for more allow, while still profiting a lot. Slowly, the farmers can take over the poll.
So now I divide my allow. 50% still for tipping the great casts, 50% for token accumulation. That way I can also buy more allow later. Or exit, if the FC/tipping will be deprioritized even more. I'm a writer. I want degen to succeed, but FC and tipping are important to me.
I agree that tipping rings - and any "money laundering with extra steps" - is not different from this new "token creation" on the degen chain. It is the end of degen moderation, right? Cashing the allowance out - is as good as tipping right now. Right?
I can be mistaken - and happy to correct my misunderstanding.
Until then, let's face reality: skipping the tipping is easy and a fair game now. Already farmers get 10-50x more degen from their allow, than I get using my allow for tipping quality casts and playing the long social game. With the "token creation," everyone can accumulate faster and stake more degen for more allow, while still profiting a lot. Slowly, the farmers can take over the poll.
So now I divide my allow. 50% still for tipping the great casts, 50% for token accumulation. That way I can also buy more allow later. Or exit, if the FC/tipping will be deprioritized even more. I'm a writer. I want degen to succeed, but FC and tipping are important to me.
Looks like the rings will dissipate without us needing to do anything.
Tipping rings are just money laundering with extra steps. Now they can just cash out directly.
*grabs popcorn*
Tipping rings are just money laundering with extra steps. Now they can just cash out directly.
*grabs popcorn*
I have a double observation.
1) Compared to season 6 it seems like season 7 to leaderboard is far better.
2) We only disqualified two casts from receiving tips in season 7 thus far.
Does it mean we won already?
'was not too hard 🎩
1) Compared to season 6 it seems like season 7 to leaderboard is far better.
2) We only disqualified two casts from receiving tips in season 7 thus far.
Does it mean we won already?
'was not too hard 🎩
Interesting @mazmhussain's comments.
He is talking about bots and spam, but I apply it also to farming, t4t, and all the free-riding airdrop strategies.
So you can do it on big established platforms or the new, small, more fragile ones. In the first case, it is like "shoplifting from a global conglomerate that treats it as an accounting write-off", but in the second case it is like "shoplifting from a mom-and-pop store trying to get started and whose business and well-being you may genuinely aim to undermine".
Farcaster/Degen is the second case. Regardless of all the defensive talk in defense of "fun" (?) and "decentralization" (?) I have no problem dedegening ppl who free-ride our small platform. Because - as Murtaza said - "there is just something particularly antisocial about it".
He is talking about bots and spam, but I apply it also to farming, t4t, and all the free-riding airdrop strategies.
So you can do it on big established platforms or the new, small, more fragile ones. In the first case, it is like "shoplifting from a global conglomerate that treats it as an accounting write-off", but in the second case it is like "shoplifting from a mom-and-pop store trying to get started and whose business and well-being you may genuinely aim to undermine".
Farcaster/Degen is the second case. Regardless of all the defensive talk in defense of "fun" (?) and "decentralization" (?) I have no problem dedegening ppl who free-ride our small platform. Because - as Murtaza said - "there is just something particularly antisocial about it".
Imagine @dwr.eth going harder against spammers & low-effort farmers than a token project & its nice token holders who want to grow the token value, add value to the social network & its real creators but actually pay spammers to spam.
Read his latest casts.
It’s time to write down & enforce basic rules for tip participants.
It’s not about pissing people off or differentiating among farming rings, bots, individual farmers. It’s about making things better.
Yes, farming got a bit better, we should keep the fun .. 🤐 but I’m still looking for more people that genuinely tip, for people to start tipping real $degen, for many more real Degens to join the chat, Degens to go hard on existing Degen apps & onboarding the next wave of apps!
Farcaster, Degen (Base) are in an amazing position. Would be a pity to not leverage this now and make channels, conversations, user xp & Token 10x better by elevating quality over spam - AND then make it another 10x better with many more users contributing content.
Read his latest casts.
It’s time to write down & enforce basic rules for tip participants.
It’s not about pissing people off or differentiating among farming rings, bots, individual farmers. It’s about making things better.
Yes, farming got a bit better, we should keep the fun .. 🤐 but I’m still looking for more people that genuinely tip, for people to start tipping real $degen, for many more real Degens to join the chat, Degens to go hard on existing Degen apps & onboarding the next wave of apps!
Farcaster, Degen (Base) are in an amazing position. Would be a pity to not leverage this now and make channels, conversations, user xp & Token 10x better by elevating quality over spam - AND then make it another 10x better with many more users contributing content.
The tipping ring will fall, soon.
Great. Can we add this to Degen?
TIPPING SUPER RING
Some accounts on the degen leaderboard accumulated ~100k degen. Among them: @10poon @archangels @crypto-david @akia0607 @kknd @wlsdnrdl0217 @luckysun @unansrb @support1. The whole ring includes ~20 members
What do they do?
- members mostly tip each other, under every cast you find mostly tips from the other ring members
- the tips are big, and not correlated with the quality of the cast
- the amount of tipped degen is similar (mostly 1-2k degen tips last season, 400-600 degen this season)
- as proved by a simultaneous amounts reduction, they communicate and coordinate to farm degen
Some degen mods including me are trying to take back that wasted degen which clearly is NOT used to "empower the community, distribute funds, and reward quality content creators"
For the whole season we can regain as much as ~10 mln degen just on this super ring alone. We are asking all degen mods to take a look at the ring members' tipping practices, and help dedegen, if you find those practices unacceptable
Some accounts on the degen leaderboard accumulated ~100k degen. Among them: @10poon @archangels @crypto-david @akia0607 @kknd @wlsdnrdl0217 @luckysun @unansrb @support1. The whole ring includes ~20 members
What do they do?
- members mostly tip each other, under every cast you find mostly tips from the other ring members
- the tips are big, and not correlated with the quality of the cast
- the amount of tipped degen is similar (mostly 1-2k degen tips last season, 400-600 degen this season)
- as proved by a simultaneous amounts reduction, they communicate and coordinate to farm degen
Some degen mods including me are trying to take back that wasted degen which clearly is NOT used to "empower the community, distribute funds, and reward quality content creators"
For the whole season we can regain as much as ~10 mln degen just on this super ring alone. We are asking all degen mods to take a look at the ring members' tipping practices, and help dedegen, if you find those practices unacceptable
mmmmm... salty...
I may or may not have gone on a little spree yesterday...
what if we had a cast action that flagged problem casts and then automatically issues the [ded] command for you, either instantly or - more deviously - right before the snapshot?
It’s time to get back to work 🥂 farmers beware.
Hey mods! I have finally found the time to reset the DeDegen Dashboard for the new season. I figured that it is useless to include data for prev seasons because these tips are settled.
Now the data is for dates later than 07/31/2024
https://dune.com/4cademy/dedegen-dashboard
Now the data is for dates later than 07/31/2024
https://dune.com/4cademy/dedegen-dashboard
Sorry guys, didn't d3degen a lot of casts lately, just didn't have the time to search a lot.
Dm in the group chat if you need another vote or an opinion on a specific caster.
Dm in the group chat if you need another vote or an opinion on a specific caster.
hey there @4cademy.eth! Was the dune dashboard re-initialized with the next season? i see that the amount of degen saved dropped significantly. If this is the case, that's perfect, but just wanted to know whether we're good or if there is a glitch! Thanks!
IMO this is a personal defeat. To see the scumbag get 500k is depressing.
Going off of what @assayer says.
I commented dedegen on this, it feels disingenuous.
If something is showing, that’s one thing. If you’re all talk and no bite, that’s a different story.
I commented dedegen on this, it feels disingenuous.
If something is showing, that’s one thing. If you’re all talk and no bite, that’s a different story.
A suggestion for our tips-funded FC builders.
When you accumulate funds for a valuable project and you use a separate account for that, and your casts get tips of 5k or 10k degen or more - pls consider adding a link to your project under every funds-seeking cast.
That way our new degen moderation team will know, that you are not farming degen or engaging in t4t with your friends, but doing something well worth the tips. That will make our job much easier.
When you accumulate funds for a valuable project and you use a separate account for that, and your casts get tips of 5k or 10k degen or more - pls consider adding a link to your project under every funds-seeking cast.
That way our new degen moderation team will know, that you are not farming degen or engaging in t4t with your friends, but doing something well worth the tips. That will make our job much easier.